The Art of Tinkering
Lock me in my house long enough, and odds are I’m gonna find some stupid shit to start tinkering with. This year, I did a lot of tinkering, almost always on some piece of backpacking gear. And given enough time to tinker, turns out I can occasionally stumble into some modification that actually makes a piece of gear a little bit better. This here might be one of those moments.
The short of the long is – stock stays in my Hyperlite Mountain Gear (size Large) weigh 4.2 ounces. My custom 7075 aluminum stays weigh 1.4 oz – for a net savings of 2.8 ounces.
Not insignificant on what is only a ~32 ounce pack to begin with.
How I arrived at the final stays is a bit more long-winded – the rest of this post is for true ultralight nerds only.
Stock frame stays for ultralight backpacks are, generally speaking, rather overweight for what they are. This is because they are usually made of ½ inch wide 6061 aluminum bar stock, like what you can find at the local hardware store. This is works well enough, and can easily be formed to fit the contours of your back. Perhaps best of all, it can easily be formed in the field by the backpacker for cases when they need a non-standard shape. The downside, of course, is weight – 6061 bar stock is much heavier than say something like carbon fiber or 7075 aluminum tubing. For obvious reasons, carbon fiber tubing is a bit beyond my pay scale. And I’m not sure the weight savings over the 7075 would be that significant
Thus began an entire months-long saga of me buying all sorts of different tubing trying to figure out how to bend it. And not just bend it, but do it with perfect AND repeatable results. I bought a few variations of pipe benders from the hardware store and that didn’t work. I bought a bicycle wheel from the thrift store and that didn’t work. I tried anything else I could think of. Sometimes it would work, sometimes it would fail. And when this stuff fails, it fails in violent ways, shattering shrapnel that may or may not pierce right through your hand. (Pro-tip, if you try this by hand like my dumbass, wear some denim, some gloves, and safety glasses.)
Nevertheless, I got a few decent bends that worked, and a whole bunch that did not. But the successes were enough to convince me it was possible, if I could just figure out how to keep the tube from kinking or cracking.
After much trial and error, and probing the depths of the YouTube rabbit hole in search of every tube bending video I could find, I finally got a jig built with a couple of dies that could reliable, repeatable bends without cracking or kinking.
Way too much work just to save 2.8 oz, but dammit I was bored, and somewhat determined.
But just because you can make some bends doesn’t mean you are making the right ones. And it turns out, if you lay dozens of backpack stays on the same table, not a single one of them will be shaped like any other (sometimes two stays from the same pack will be different after significant use). This is both frustrating, and eye-opening. It means I’m not sure there is a “perfect curve.” More likely it means that there is a certain margin for error on a curve that fits lots of different body types. And when you consider the limitation of the radius you can bend these tubes, the shape will always be different than you can get with 6061. So that margin of error is key.
I’ve now made over two dozen of these stays, and the shape works quite well. I personally can tell no difference in comfort between the custom stays and the handful of other stays (even across different manufacturers.) However there is one serious benefit – the custom stays are much stiffer. So when you are carrying a truly heavy load, they will collapse much less and improve the overall carry.
Which begs the final question – what’s the downside? Well, the most obvious is they might not universally fit every body shape. Everyone is different. If you’ve never intentionally bent a stay to fit, these custom stays would probably work well for you. If the first thing you do when you buy a new pack is bend the stays to some irregular shape, it might be more complicated. That said, I have now built a small workflow where I can match the curve of the stays to your exact shape. All it takes is for you to send me a photo of your current stays with a tape measure next to it, taken as straight on as possible.
The other question is just how strong are they?
I have not done a truly scientific test, but based on my own experiences, normal backpacking loads are well within range, and the custom stays are easily as strong as the stock 6061 bar with one possible asterisk. If you were to say, drop your pack and it landed on a sharp object, it’s possible that impact crack the stay. It’s also possible a softer alloy might just bend or deform.
With the asterisk out of the way, I’ve made a few pairs (edit: now over two dozen) of these for friends already, and they performed flawlessly on some big trips, including a 50 day traverse of the Grand Canyon with pack weights pushing 50 lbs in some stretches. So if that sounds like something you’d be interested in, Custom frame stays are available via my gear company Sockdolager Equipment.
[…] I spent a couple months on and off trying different technique to bend the 7075 tubing, before I finally built a jig I could roll the tubing along and into the correct shapes. Putting one large radius curve in the tubing proved to be fairly easy, the difficult part was putting two smaller radius curves on a single tube to make the “s.” I’m pretty stoked about the results, and after building the jig I am super happy with the results. The results are good enough I also bent custom stays to replace the frames in other packs I already … […]
Hey I’d be interest in purchase a set of these stays for my HMG 3400 southwest. Shoot me an email.
Hello, I would like to buy 2 set of the custom stays for my HMG 3400 & HMG 2400, Send me an email please.
The HMG Southwest 3400 Large size stays measure 20 3/8″ on my pack, I wondering if you can match that exact size, or can I remove the protective cap cut it to fit then replace the end-cap?
Yes, I can easily cut it to the exact dimension. Just leave a note when you check out. Thanks!
Thx Dan
Hi Dan. I am interested in replacement frame stays for my Gossamer Gear Mariposa. Are you still making them?
Yep, I’m still making them. Sometimes they are out of stock while I wait for more tubing. Send me an email and I’ll get ya sorted.
What size should I order for HMG 2400 Medium?
That would be the Medium – 19.5 inch.
I’d like to upgrade my HMG Porter. Large size, please.
Do you sell the sleeves that these slide into? I want to add these to a frameless pack but can’t find sleeves anywhere.
Hi Mike, what do you mean by sleeves? Do you mean the webbing channels that hold the stays in place?
Nice mod that I found by happenstance. What I am considering is moving my straps and hip belt from the OG HMG logo Windrider to the summit pack and adding a mesh pocket since I hate their stuff pocket. Keep up the good work!
Do have any plans to produce the full frame pack? Brilliant design. I bought a bunch of materials many years ago to attempt something similar. Got stymied while looking for some light T connectors required for the design I had in mind. Maybe I’ll revive the idea running on inspiration from you.
Thanks,
Todd Schulke
Silver City, NM
Thanks for the note Todd. I do in fact have plans to release the full pack, hopefully this spring. I’ve seen made dozens of variations of it trying to get it dialed in. Pretty psyched on it now!